Posts by Beth Sarim

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So where oh where did Judge Rutherford come up with JW theology?

by Terry in

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bits of unreported history that may be of casual interest… as to doctrinal origins.

sykes was one-of-a-kind in the pentecostal movement, but he was considered quite a maverick who went his own way with heretical teachings repugnant to the pentecostal faith.. joshua sykes’ congregation was integrated, unlike pastor russell’s public speeches/sermons where blacks and whites both could attend, but only in separate sections--sykes's members were sitting side by side in the pentecostal church.

this was considered dangerous and inflammatory at the time.. pentecostal preacher joshua sykes practiced racial and gender "integration" as early as 1908 -- having both african-american and female assistant preachers, staffers, and members.

Beth Sarim

Rattigan;

Yes, it was the Boozerford days that the Judge grew the JW religion.

There was a video on youtube a few years back where James Whyte was interviewed in detail. He relates how to grow a 'cult', you need a radical, charismatic 2nd ''guy'' so to speak.

He explained with Mormonism you needed a 2nd in Brigam Young, and with the IBSA(JW's) you have Judge Rutherford. He related beautifully without the 2nd ''guy'', the movement can't evolve. We have such ''radical'' unbiblical doctrines which are hard to defend to this day because of the 2nd guy.

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Front row seats watching the collapse of watchtower

by Indoubtbigtime in

i’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.

they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.

they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.

Beth Sarim

At this point I just don't think the Borg would be wise to set any more dates.

Doing so over the years has proven to be shooting themselves in the foot. You'd think the Borg would learn from it's past foolhardiness.

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Pioneer Hours Update

by Bartolomeo in

regular pioneers: 600 per year, 50 on average per month.auxiliary pioneers: 30 hours per monthauxiliary pioneers in march and april: fee reduced to 15 hours.

Beth Sarim

Yeah, I saw the Sanderson video.

With that lower hour requirement,,,they will make it sound like there will no longer be an excuse ''not to pioneer''.

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Front row seats watching the collapse of watchtower

by Indoubtbigtime in

i’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.

they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.

they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.

Beth Sarim

As much as I'm on board with wanting to see the demise of the Borg, I just can't see it happening.

We're talking about an Organization with billions of dollars and assets at it's disposal. Cults are tenacious at morphing into a different business model.

It will probably just morph into a few KH's strewn about. With A$$emblies held as they have them now as those are a big cash cows.

The Mike and Kim youtube channel Mike just illustrated how the Borg's 1914 model has failed. It's printing era has failed. It's becoming online, but they have to keep KH's and A$$emblies going to drum-up control and donations coming in.

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So where oh where did Judge Rutherford come up with JW theology?

by Terry in

jw
friends

bits of unreported history that may be of casual interest… as to doctrinal origins.

sykes was one-of-a-kind in the pentecostal movement, but he was considered quite a maverick who went his own way with heretical teachings repugnant to the pentecostal faith.. joshua sykes’ congregation was integrated, unlike pastor russell’s public speeches/sermons where blacks and whites both could attend, but only in separate sections--sykes's members were sitting side by side in the pentecostal church.

this was considered dangerous and inflammatory at the time.. pentecostal preacher joshua sykes practiced racial and gender "integration" as early as 1908 -- having both african-american and female assistant preachers, staffers, and members.

Beth Sarim

A lot of the bizzarro WT theologies and wacko, loonie-tunes doctrines are stemmed to how the Judge Boozerford formed opinions on things and the Borg continues to go with them today.

The Borg realizes that it would take too much effort to change it now or is too cheap to do so. Probably because having the sheeple observe holidays it would take away from the focus on the Borg and the Borg knows this. Harmless things like birthdays, mothers and fathers day.

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2022-PID-Policies-and-Procedures-US-Branch-Manual.

by Atlantis in

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Beth Sarim

Thanks Atlantis. You are awesome!

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Have you ever been on a congregation picnic?

by LostintheFog1999 in

were you ever on a congregation picnic?

i was on several occasions.. the arrangements were often announced from the platform after the closing song and prayer by the last elder up on the platform.. sometimes it was included in the service meeting announcements as "on saturday we're meeting at 10.00am at the kingdom hall for field service, and after field service for anyone who wishes, especially for the younger ones, we will be having a congregation picnic meeting at the beach carpark on seaview road.".

well, according to the new elders manual you won't be hearing those words again.

Beth Sarim

The 80s were the decade when these bbq's and picnics fizzled-out. They stilll had them in the 80"s even 90"s, but more and more scarce. Probably too much 'independent" talk.

That's probably why in home book studys went by the wayside a decade or so later. Too much "independent" talk.

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it’s all in person and only fully vaxed can go

by Indoubtbigtime in

2023 will see a big push to get rank and file back to in person meetings and ministry.

they have opened a can of worms with zoom but what they really want is only in extreme illnesses cases can someone use zoom .

the only problem is they want everyone fully vaccinated which means if you didn’t go for your latest booster in the last several months then you are no longer fully vaccinated and just the same as someone who never accepted any shots right from the start.

Beth Sarim

''Beth, the GB is neither INSPIRED nor infallible.''
BINGO!! It was read aloud and covered right in the WT study,, a few years ago.
''listen obey and be blessed'',, beeep. As Rion signed-off in one of her videos the other day.

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getting round the territory slowly compared to before?

by Indoubtbigtime in

from what i know most territory maps in most congregations are being done much much slower than before.

my congregation is very very slow getting round the territory compared to before.

then pioneers will have hour requirement coming back in march but they are just not used to getting 3hrs a day 7 days a week.. many congregations used to get round all their territory every so often, now all congregations around north london where i am (yes i’m an ms involved with territory servants) are hardly getting around their territory at all.. of course letter writing was slow going but now back to first call hardly anyone is going out in person and those few that do don’t do that much.. even the elders who are supposed to take the lead don’t seem to come out much at all and when they do i know of more than one example of them only doing ten mins maybe a few houses then going for the obligatory coffee break.

Beth Sarim

Time is clearly showing to be the worst enemy of the Borg. Things like COVID and GDPR.

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Does This Case Show The Value of the 2 Witness Rule ?

by BluesBrother in

i read this in the public area of jwtalk, about a canadian case concerning reena virk, over 20 years ago..

“manjit, her father, got arrested by the police due to reena's accusation of sexual abuse.

he lost his job, many of his friends and almost his family.

Beth Sarim

WT fabrications of events like these,,,you find that sources or names are not provided,,,just that,,fabrications.